Pan Yue: river basins is the environmental crisis of last resort - river basins, pollution, environmental protection - environmental protection industry

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Another "environmental protection storm" has come, 13 districts were "limited batch." The "river basins" is how the selected area?





Pan: from the beginning in early June, SEPA also organized the Huaihe, Haihe River, Yellow River, Yangtze River and Taihu Lake basins in 11 provinces, conducted a thorough investigation. Month and a half years, we have examined 126 Industrial Park, 529 key polluting enterprises, integrated river water quality around the state, industrial enterprises in pollution, industrial and environmental characteristics of the situation of law, the decision by the State Environmental Protection Administration approved this 13 region "river basins."
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Economic Observer: I know you personally attended a number of inspection activities, how they feel?


Pan: There are three more deep understanding. One high-tech development zones, industrial parks, not the first batch built, ultra vires and approval of the EIA and the "three simultaneous" relatively poor rate of implementation is very serious. In the examination of the 126 parks in the industrial park in 110 violations, accounting for 87.3% random industrial park. Second, the operation of urban sewage treatment plants are not normal, low capacity, pipeline network is not complete or excessive discharge. In the sample of 75 municipal wastewater treatment plant, there are 38 functioning is abnormal, excessive discharge or outage. Third, illegal or excessive discharge of some enterprises, 500 enterprises in check, there exist more than 200 enterprises illegal or excessive discharge of the situation.





Last resort Economic Observer newspaper: "environmental protection storm" will touch a lot of interest groups, I heard you at every "environmental protection storm" when they bear a lot of pressure. There are also foreign that you "did not work over the past measures", since the "thankless", why should set off again and again, "environmental protection storm"?





Pan: This is not a lot of pressure to bear for four years myself, but the Environmental Protection Administration. Many of my colleagues, such as EIA Division, Central Office Supervisor, Inspector Centre Region colleagues to four years, all haggard and down a lot, Xiao Nianqing have to grow white hair. The "river basins" action down, 40 monitoring teams have had 10 people hospitalized, I feel sorry for them.





I said before, each time when the social transformation of some departments there will always be some price to pay. Environmental protection department of the date of birth, is destined to be the traditional way of life to combat the production, that is its destiny. Therefore, effort is not to please us. The right thing, on the overall situation and long-term good thing, suffer more accused have to do it, badly beaten have to do it.





Economic Observer: Environmental Protection Administration, the "river basins", the executive can hope to explore a means of market forces, public participation in integrated river basin pollution control new ideas. Such as "river basins" really work, this method will become the norm of the exercise?





Pan: Environmental Protection Agency hope "restrictions" can become a means of normalization. Last "regional restrictions", the central leadership made a number of the instructions. This "river basin" is a "limited grant" policy using the new attempt. We hope that through these explorations, making the "restrictions" policy of institutionalized, often planning, rigidity, become the central macro-control and "energy saving" strong grasps.





Economic Observer: You said recently, "river basin" is your last resort. This trick used, and really no better way yet?





Pan: really no better solution. Three "environmental protection storm" every time violent, SEPA within the existing laws and regulations, administrative measures have been put to the limit.





"Restrictions" on the policy in the current regulations do not clearly defined, is that we have a policy framework for system innovation. However, administrative measures have their own weaknesses, there is no stability, stage, and even the possibility of rent-seeking, so as an administrative means "environmental protection storm" has been blown to an end.





Economic Observer: the face of China's current reality, rely on the protection of our environment?





Pan: environmental protection in China is no longer at the initiation stage of a public education, and has entered a stage of the interests of game. China's environmental problems affecting the most important factor is that unscrupulous commercial interests, and error performance concept of special interests. If you really have to curb pollution, drastic measures against them, with the environmental pollution of the environment of economic policy to restrain illegal business interests, with revised GDP target to reverse the error of performance concept.





Specifically, one should establish a reasonable system of environmental economic policies, introduction of green credit, green insurance, green stock, green taxation and a series of new policies, the root causes for the polluters, "without water", while encouraging environmentally friendly businesses development, and be inclined to support the economic policy; the other hand, some local governments for the blind pursuit of GDP growth in the state, environmental factors to calculate the real GDP into the index, once incorporated into the environmental factors to become official GDP indicators of assessment criteria, it can become a baton to guide local officials in environmental protection.





Survive the choked withstood the untenable


Economic Observer: In recent years, "environmental protection storm", the Environmental Protection Agency at the top, local environmental protection departments may put more pressure on. How to deal with local environmental authorities from the local government or commercial forces, pressure, resist the temptation to do business rent-seeking interests?





Pan: Indeed, the local environmental protection departments face in practice local governments and commercial forces from the enormous pressure, except for a few acted negligently, the majority of environmental officials to be loyal to the cause. However, institutional constraints, leading to many grassroots cadres and the environmental protection department, "stand firm in could not stand, withstand the untenable." We hope that the environmental protection departments at all levels shall carry out supervisory duties under the law, strict enforcement of environmental violations for not dare to compromise the struggle.





Economic Observer: You said that "the traditional mode of growth of industrialization has led to unsustainable resources and environment of China's bottom line, people's daily lives are seriously threatened." However, a number of less developed regions in China still rely on traditional industrial methods currently in growth, support the local economy. Side to "eat", while to "green", and sometimes difficult to integrate the two, most regions have chosen to "eat" not "green." In this context, the integration of environmental considerations into the GDP indicator to implement it for you?





Pan: In 2004, I proposed for the environmental problems in underdeveloped regions, to accelerate the implementation of ecological compensation mechanism. Distribution of resources according to different regions, natural climate, the potential